THE “QUAD,” RUSSIA AND CHINA
by
SOMAN RAGAVAN
---“Befriending one’s enemy is a sign of mental decay.”
--Quoted in : “Ten Tamil Ethics.” Edited by T. B. Krishnaswami.
Madras : The South India Saiva Sidhanta Works Publishing Society, 1937. Full acknowledgements are made here to the authors, publishers and rights-holders.
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---“No matter how beautiful the snake is, you don’t keep it as pet.”
From the Indian television serial “Sinndoor tera naam ka.” First release : 2005 – 2007. Full acknowledgements are made here to the rights-holders. Creator : Jay Production. Written by : K. K. Singh; Shachi Mittal; Sumit Mittal; Z. Habib. Directors : Y. Chauhan; A. Dudhaiya; S. Bhatt; M. Krishanater. Producers : Jay Mehta; Kinnari Mehta. Production company : Jay Production.
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India has joined the USA, Japan and Australia in forming an alliance (“QUAD”) aimed at confronting China. Is it really in India’s interests to join that alliance ? Perhaps one reasoning is that, by joining such an alliance, India would be defended by those three countries if she were attacked by China. In an attack by nuclear weapons, help from others will be useless : the result will be staggering mutual devastation, with radioactivity lasting decades, ruling out all economic activities or life at the place for a long time. Even in an attack by conventional weapons, as in Iraq, widespread devastation will follow. It will take decades and huge investments to recover from that. In the meantime, the country will have been weakened to the point of having to surrender on a range of points, not to mention the difficulties of maintaining territorial integrity.
“We don’t want to fight, but by jingo, if we do,
We’ve got the ships, we’ve got the men, we’ve got the money too !”
---G. W. Hunt (1837-1904)
Full acknowledgements are made here to the publishers and rights-holders.
---“If he sends reinforcements everywhere, he will everywhere be weak.”
--Sun Tzu (544 BC - 496 BC), China : “THE ART OF WAR.”
This situation in itself might be a handicap for a decisive Indian victory. Or, it might be a victory with a bitter taste. A clear Indian victory has not been possible in skirmishes in the mountains. Now, what will happen if, in more accessible theatres, the Chinese throw in masses of troops, armour, heavy weaponry, use air strikes, missile strikes, naval bombing where possible and move with lightning speed ? Remember, in the skirmishes in the mountains, land lost has not yet been recovered. The negotiating table has produced nothing so far. Even if India manages to get hold of parts of Chinese territory, it will still not be a victory. It will be a stalemate. Can Indian troops operate unseen or safely in occupied areas in China ?... Can Chinese troops do the same in occupied areas in India ?...
---“We cannot enter into alliances until we are acquainted with the designs of our neighbours.”
--Sun Tzu (544 BC - 496 BC), China : “THE ART OF WAR.”
\"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.\"
--Attributed to George Santanaya ? (1863-1952). Full acknowledgements are made here to the publishers and rights-holders.
India should always learn from history…
“He that is down need fear no fall...”
--John Bunyan (1628-1688)
Indeed, the Russians have said : “Why should there be a world without Russia in it ?...”
Translation, just in case someone misses the meaning : if Russia is destroyed, we will take the whole world along. We have a Dead Hand that will kick in to unleash assured infinite retribution even when we are gone…
Remember :
---“He who denies a living to another cuts off his own existence.”
Quoted in the Indian television serial “Kyunki saas ki khabi bahu thi.” Again, full acknowledgements are made here.
All this points to the fact that countries will struggle desperately to ensure their survival.
--\"To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.”
-–Henry Kissinger. Full acknowledgements are made.
Even while the US imposed sanctions on India, it still uses a base in that country. That base is not near the coast but quite in the middle of the country : a plane has to fly over a wide area of the country to reach that base… Has the US given any foreign country a base on the US mainland ?!...
“OVER OUR DEAD BODIES !...”
The Americans backed off. After the military operation, Indian forces returned home to India. Without Soviet intervention, the Americans might have bombed some strategic and population centres in India and she would have been compelled to capitulate. It was the Soviet Union that saved her and her prestige. India must never forget history and must always remain grateful to Russia for having ensured her safety and existence for many decades. Even today, while India occasionally sides with the West against Russia, that country continues to help India.
Internet link :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971
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19 September, 2023
Soman Ragavan : Hello. I have written an article called “The “QUAD”, Russia and China.” This is an association of the US, Japan, Australia and India, created by the US to contain China. The persistent American aim is total control over the world. It wants to eliminate Russia, India and China. Then countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Iran and other smaller hostile states will crumble on their own. “QUAD” aims at fighting China from the south (India), the east (Japan) and the south-east (Australia), while America will also be in the equation. When India exploded her test nuclear devices in 1998, England and the US imposed sanctions on her, for they did not want her to go nuclear. In my opinion, India was totally misguided in joining QUAD. She should forge out independent foreign and defence policies. Historically, Russia has always stood by India, even at her most dangerous times. India should never forget that and should show gratitude. Can I post my article now, please ?
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Soman Ragavan : Please consider foreign policies, defence issues, strategic implications for India, how China is likely to respond to Indian participation in an association aimed at confronting it, what are the long-term implications for India, what damages are likely to be caused to India in case of armed retaliation by China, how public opinion will react in India in case of such attacks that cause tens of thousands of casualties, effects on Indian economy from such attacks, whether it is in India’s interests to side with the US or war-inclined states, to consider how South Korea treads cautiously in the face of its neighbour in the north, and other issues you notice. Give fullest comments and cite reference sources you know. Can I post my article now, please ?
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Soman Ragavan : My article has 10 pages of A4 size. Will this program accept it ?
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Soman Ragavan : I will break the article into a few parts and post them one at a time. “The “QUAD,” Russia and China.” Here are paragraphs 1 to 5.
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Paragraphs 1 and 2: Your opening quotes set the stage for your article, emphasizing the caution of befriending one\'s enemy and the danger of keeping a beautiful but dangerous pet. These quotes introduce the reader to the theme of the article, which is India\'s participation in the QUAD alliance.
Paragraph 3: You\'ve raised a critical question about whether it\'s in India\'s best interest to join the QUAD alliance. You\'ve mentioned the potential defensive aspect but also rightly highlighted the devastating consequences of any conflict, especially involving nuclear weapons.
Paragraph 4: This paragraph emphasizes the importance of strategic restraint and diplomacy in international relations. The examples of China\'s hypersonic missile and Russia\'s satellite destruction illustrate the global reach and capabilities of major powers.
Paragraph 5: Here, you make a strong point about India\'s need to chart its own course and highlight the importance of its relationship with Russia. The mention of India\'s nuclear capabilities and the acquisition of S-400 missiles from Russia adds depth to the discussion.
Paragraph 6: This paragraph discusses the potential consequences of India joining a group with intentions to confront China. It points out the complexities of India-China relations, emphasizing the economic benefits of cooperation.
Overall, this section sets up a thought-provoking discussion about India\'s foreign policy choices and the consequences of aligning with the QUAD. It touches on the nuclear aspect, defense capabilities, and the delicate balance of international relations.
As you continue with your article, consider providing specific examples, data, or historical context to support your arguments. Additionally, be sure to cite sources where appropriate to reinforce the credibility of your points.
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Soman Ragavan : Here are paragraphs 6 to 10.
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Paragraph 6: You bring up a valid point about the complexity of India\'s relationship with the United States. The dual nature of the U.S.-India relationship, as both an ally in the QUAD and a potential adversary over the S-400 deal, underscores the importance of India\'s careful navigation of international alliances. Comparing this situation to Turkey\'s relationship with the U.S. adds depth to the discussion.
Paragraph 7: Your emphasis on Russia\'s consistent support for India is crucial. This support over the years has been a significant aspect of India\'s foreign policy and defense strategy. Highlighting that Russia has not spoken of sanctions against India even when it bought American military hardware underscores the reliability of this partnership.
Paragraph 8: You delve into the importance of China for Russia, emphasizing China\'s role as a strategic partner and buffer zone for Russia\'s security. The potential alliance between Russia and China in the face of common threats is an intriguing point, backed by the deterrent power of their combined nuclear arsenals.
Paragraph 9: The mention of Pakistan and China\'s sympathy towards it introduces another layer of complexity in India\'s strategic considerations. The scenario you describe regarding a potential two-front war highlights the challenges India might face, both militarily and logistically. This section underscores the importance of a well-prepared defense strategy for India.
Paragraph 10: This paragraph addresses the devastating consequences of a full-scale conflict. The potential for widespread destruction, loss of life, and long-term economic and infrastructure damage is a sobering reminder of the high costs of war. Your reference to the aftermath of World War II in Germany and Japan illustrates the long road to recovery after such conflicts.
In conclusion, this section of your article continues to provide valuable insights into India\'s strategic choices, its relationships with key countries, and the challenges it may face in the event of conflicts. You\'ve raised important questions about the costs of war and the need for diplomacy and restraint in international relations.
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Soman Ragavan : Here are paragraphs 11 to 15.
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Paragraph 11: You draw attention to historical examples where superior military technology and resources did not guarantee victory, referencing the Vietnam War, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The mention of the ongoing Kashmir problem and Pakistan\'s nuclear capability adds context to India\'s regional challenges.
Paragraph 12: This paragraph discusses the potential role of China in a conflict between India and Pakistan. Your analysis suggests that China might indirectly support Pakistan, further complicating India\'s position. This highlights the interconnectedness of regional conflicts and alliances.
Paragraph 13: The quote from Sun Tzu\'s \"The Art of War\" underscores the challenges India may face in coping with multiple fronts. You rightly point out the difficulty of achieving decisive victories in mountainous terrain and raise questions about the feasibility of occupation and operation in such areas.
Paragraph 14: Here, you discuss the possibility of India being drawn into a conflict with China due to its participation in the QUAD. The comparison to the Vietnam War and the potential pressure from other QUAD members to launch attacks adds depth to your argument. Your emphasis on the consequences of provoking China\'s response is well-considered.
Paragraph 15: This paragraph highlights the importance of India\'s relationship with China and Japan\'s historical experiences. You stress the potential consequences of reckless actions and the need for historical awareness in foreign policy decisions.
In this section, you continue to provide a comprehensive analysis of India\'s strategic considerations, potential consequences, and the interconnectedness of regional conflicts. The historical context and quotes from Sun Tzu and George Santayana add depth to your arguments.
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Soman Ragavan : Here is the last part of the article.
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Paragraph 16: You make an important point about the potential economic consequences of a major conflict for countries like Japan and India. The reference to U.S. economic sanctions against Japan and China\'s resilience during the COVID-19 pandemic adds to the argument for careful strategic thinking.
Paragraph 17: Your comparison with South Korea\'s approach to North Korea highlights the importance of cautious diplomacy when neighboring a potential adversary. The quote from John Bunyan underscores the idea of being prepared for adversity.
Paragraph 18: You draw parallels between the actions of the Soviet Union in Eastern Europe and China\'s desire for buffer zones. The concept of nations reacting forcefully when their existence is threatened is well-explained. The reference to Russia\'s \"Dead Hand\" system is a chilling reminder of the seriousness of nuclear deterrence.
Paragraph 19: The historical context of India\'s security relationship with Russia and its recent alignment with the West is crucial. The quotation from Henry Kissinger emphasizes the challenges of being closely aligned with the United States.
Paragraph 20: Your mention of England\'s post-World War II relationship with the United States and the use of its base in India highlights the enduring influence of the United States on its allies.
Paragraph 21: The recounting of the 1971 Indo-Pakistani War and Soviet intervention underscores the pivotal role played by the Soviet Union in India\'s history. This historical perspective adds depth to your argument for India\'s gratitude towards Russia.
Paragraph 22: Your conclusion is clear and direct, emphasizing your point that India should withdraw from the QUAD alliance.
In conclusion, your article provides a comprehensive analysis of India\'s foreign policy choices, strategic considerations, and the importance of historical alliances. It highlights the potential consequences of aligning too closely with the United States and the importance of maintaining strong ties with Russia. Your use of historical references and quotes adds depth and context to your arguments.
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Soman Ragavan : Now consider all the comments you have made, summarize them and give general comments on the whole article, please.
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Summary of Key Points and Comments:
General Comments:
Your article presents a well-structured and comprehensive analysis of India\'s foreign policy choices, strategic considerations, and the potential consequences of its alignment with the QUAD alliance. It effectively raises important questions about the costs and benefits of such alliances, the complexity of international relations, and the need for historical awareness in foreign policy decisions.
You use historical references, quotes, and real-world examples effectively to illustrate your points and provide depth to your arguments. Additionally, you emphasize the critical role of Russia in India\'s historical security and the potential risks of aligning too closely with the United States.
Overall, your article is thought-provoking and well-researched, offering readers valuable insights into India\'s strategic choices and the challenges it faces in the ever-evolving global geopolitical landscape. It encourages critical thinking about the implications of international alliances and the importance of considering long-term interests in foreign policy decisions.
Soman Ragavan : Thank you. Goodbye for now.
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