Yet Another Grunt...

Doggerel Dave

Problem poetry here abounds -

Poetry purveying bullshit,

Not to mention commentary:

Truth lost In a welter of quit -

              *

Quit reality, an escape;

Focus on the way words attach,

Worry not authenticity,

That poetic feel is the catch…

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  • sorenbarrett

    If this old head is catching the gist of this there are poems and there are rhymes and the two are not necessarily the same. Poetry from the gut with feeling and rhyme from the head with not so much emotion. Ah hell Dave I thought I had it now I'm just rambling. You got me going anyway

  • Tristan Robert Lange

    Dave, this feels like those moments where you read something and know immediately it’s all surface…crafted (possibly) to sound right but missing something underneath. That frustration comes through clearly here, and it’s certainly easy to relate to. It hits a nerve for a reason. Well done, my friend. 🌹🖤🙏🕯️🐦‍⬛

  • orchidee

    Now lookie here - authenticity is quite a long word if one is tipsy. I can't sshay 'aush-thensh-tis-hetty' Good acting there from Sir Orchi NS, innit?! lol.

    • Doggerel Dave

      Not at all bad really considering the deficits you must contend with. But at that point, let me tell you I wash slober enuf to, with a little negotiated help from my old friend and adversary Spellchecker, achieve a modest success...

      • orchidee

        You spelth it rightsh. This is excellent acting from both of us, yes?! lol.

        • Doggerel Dave

          Wot ya wanna form a partnership an tread the boards?

          • orchidee

            Yeshh! lol.

            • Doggerel Dave

              Go set up a contract then, and I'll approve...

            • Paul Bell

              Ah, the old bullshit poetry.
              If I rush, I can go back and change mine. lol

              • Doggerel Dave

                You just keep that Bell ringing....

              • arqios

                I guess they basically want us to swipe left or right to thumbs down or up, whichever way that system actually goes? 🙏🏻🕊️

                • Doggerel Dave

                  Dunno about ‘they'. This is about my by now tedious argument that words are all we have and they must mean something. There’s plenty of poetry and rhyme I really admire, forms and techniques I can absolutely appreciate, but first and paramount has to be the meaning.

                  • arqios

                    Oh I agree totally. And however it may come across our poems carry that kernel of meaning (fade in: hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to work we go…) mining the meaning isn’t always the easiest ⛏️ 🪏🕊️🙏🏻

                    • Doggerel Dave

                      Then further concision and clarity is needed....... and now my reservations with respect to metaphor....

                      • arqios

                        Yes, it is undeniable that metaphor can be an elusive mistress. Compression is strength in poetics. But metaphor is a cyclone of sorts that can be destructive in its wake. 🙏🕊️

                        • Doggerel Dave

                          Yeh I\'ve done with shouting too loudly about metaphor (an occasional whisper will do).
                          Compression? Have some compassion!

                          • arqios

                            Hahaha, I know, right!

                          • 2781

                            It's out of this world, but I prefer the truth, to fiction.

                            • Doggerel Dave

                              And that, I'm afraid is where we differ. Truth is down here, front and centre, but many choose to ignore it.

                            • NafisaSB

                              this poem is so typically 'you' - but i feel truth is not lost - it shines out from every poet's mind through their poems - how the viewer reads and understands it is from their viewpoint and may or may not be in line with what the poet tries to convey -

                              • Doggerel Dave

                                Which is (and I hope you will confirm or deny you caught me right!) often too much emphasis is placed on the way words are arranged to make them sound and feel 'pretty' at the expense of conveying the underlying nuanced reality

                                • NafisaSB

                                  yes i agree with you - and maybe i am often guilty too..lol

                                  • NafisaSB

                                    have a serene weekend...if possible

                                    • Doggerel Dave

                                      I'll try - and working backwards: don't take anything I write too personally... and further - I still want to know how Indian folks manage to speak after a large helping of vindaloo...

                                      • NafisaSB

                                        just visited the gastroenterologist and have been diagnosed with IBS so no vindaloo for me-
                                        as for others they have been fed on it since childhood so can cope, and still speak after large helpings of heavy and piping hot and spicy meals...
                                        some years back met a lady who ate raw green chillies for dinner of which one small bite has us in tears - so basically there are some states in india like Andhra Pradesh, and Rajasthan where folks have really spicy food.
                                        my cuisine is more bland ever since my husband suffered from piles and had to undergo treatment thrice..so though I do enjoy spicy food, i try to make sure it is medium or less spicy when i cook or eat out...

                                        • Doggerel Dave

                                          When I go to many Indian restaurants as I have over the years, many like Kasundi at the bottom of the road offer each meal as a choice, mild-medium-hot. Now I have always been curious about this, but when I asked the proprietor, he was a little reticent, mentioned a measuring spoon. But it seems (a little web advice here) it is actually just the addition of chili powder.. I always order mild now and hope the real flavours come through. Any additional advice?

                                          • NafisaSB

                                            yes, tell them less oil, less spice but flavors should come out - everything to be in right proportion, and you have a tasty meal
                                            in many graded restaurants look for the color next to the recipe - red with pic of chili means hot, orange means medium, so tell them you want the least spicy [or mild as you tell them] though not bland...
                                            have mutton biryani, also ask for moghlai or lucknowi dishes in mutton or chicken eg. butter chicken, handi chicken, dabba gosht [meat], bhuna gosh [ pounded meat]; or frankies or shawarma...list is endless.. but insist on mild only as sometimes the marination itself is spicy...
                                            enjoy - or come to India and try different cuisines of different states - seafood in calcutta and kerala and coastal places; and dosa idli etc in south
                                            you can

                                            • Doggerel Dave

                                              Should have mentioned I'm vegetarian - so anything you can add here? And sorry - my flying days are over; no more long haul flights for me.

                                              • NafisaSB

                                                My bad and yes it would have been better if you had mentioned. It was the vindaloo which misled me🤔😱
                                                Not to worry my daughter and her family are vegan so they buy soya or tofu which is faux meat for them. So instead of mutton or chicken ask for paneer ie tofu dishes and enjoy
                                                Btw we have friends who always need a wheelchair or walking stick and it does not deter them from travels. But be happy doing what you want and stay safe and healthy

                                                • NafisaSB

                                                  My bad and yes it would have been better if you had mentioned. It was the vindaloo which misled me🤔😱
                                                  Not to worry my daughter and her family are vegan so they buy soya or tofu which is faux meat for them. So instead of mutton or chicken ask for paneer ie tofu dishes and enjoy
                                                  Btw we have friends who always need a wheelchair or walking stick and it does not deter them from travels. But be happy doing what you want and stay safe and healthy

                                                  • Doggerel Dave

                                                    Thanks for that. I find whatever dish I'm eating (Indian and the rest) Mushrooms are my meat substitute.

                                                  • sorenbarrett

                                                    Think I already commented on this one Dave but I don't have you on my friends list for some reason so this is the only way to thank you for the heads up on that spelling error. You are appreciated my friend even if not on a friends list

                                                    • Doggerel Dave

                                                      See my Personal Particulars page - I make it clear I don\\\'t do cyber friendships.

                                                      On the other matter, you're welcome.



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